didn't see this post yesterday yes, it wouldn't be rapping but in the songs that use them, I have yet to hear a memorable melody that was used that was actually written for that song. To also answer the "thinking it's easy"...Doubt it's easy to to hear, mash, sample, ect. but unless the rap is great and original, I don't feel the song is alive in any way (this coming from an atheist!) Please don't go off my "amazing grace" , teacher! let me have another chance with a song I like! lol Rap isn't my thing either....but then again, most music isn't. Doesn't mean I hate it or automatically disrespect it. In fact, if it's that rare music that I describe that catches me, I don't WANT it on when I'm with other people or in a number of situations. When the music catches hold, outside of working out to it, I can't do anything, much less hold a conversation with someone, so many times I like having stuff around that doesn't force me to pay attention (Sax and maybe you will want to kill me, but easy listening jazz or that enya type faerie music is pretty good when eating a fine meal). rock and roll, blues, jazz, hip-hop, folk....all have those few songs that get me.....metal has more.
J5 really isn't new though Nose....I wasn't playin' about that part. When you say "as of late".....are you talking about the last 15 years, cause they really did come out when I was in college in like '96 or '97? Don't get me wrong.....I kinda like J5 myself....I was just pickin' at you cause you said "best" and that is a known "no-no" in hip-hop circles unless you're looking to get the argument crackin'!. And the beef will certainly start, cause somebody always ready with lyrical breakdowns to tell you how nutty you are for liking what you like! You just gotta bring your ammo to the party, start shootin', and hope nobody cap you!....like you did below! Great cut, but who besides a hardcore fan can really love it? It's all a matter of taste.....AR isn't my kind of thing. Smart stuff, but I can't feel it. "Pigs" was aiight. I remember when my boy Ike got Whut thee Album.....me, him, and my boy Mike listened to that joint fifty times straight!.....and yup...2 of my main partners in high school were named "Mike & Ike" and I called them just like that....Ike was actually Mike's uncle......1 grade apart.....Oh the things that happen more than they should in the black community!!! "Time 4 Sum Aksion" was my joint! Redman is who I hear in my head when I write raps.....LOL! What would you say if I said.......Marauders was bigger, but Low End Theory was better? "Reminisce" and "Straighten It Out" are just classics. EPMD....east coast legends! Black Sheep.....not enough credit, but not enough work either really. Eric B. and Rakim.....arguably the greatest MC/DJ combo in the history of hip-hop. Jazzy Jeff and Premier are better DJ's than Eric B., but Rakim is a better MC than Guru or Will....so it's in personal tastes after that. The other guys being good are what made the Clan credible, but RZA making the music and Meth's skill and charisma combined with ODB's antics are what made the Wu what it became. Not mad at your list either.....you can be in GTFP......Glorify The Fresh Past!....but you gotta stop talkin' about J5 like that's a new group!....LOL!
OK...I'm not about to have a music beef with you....or maybe I am......LOL! I'm about to let you have it....so get your mind right!......LOL! Most metal riffs you've ever heard had already been played by a guitarist before them. I mean...even "Stairway To Heaven's" famous opening line is supposedly a rip-off from some relatively unknown band called Spirit that they just happened to tour with a couple years before....so if originality is the thing you're looking for....most modern music isn't the right place to look as it's all borrowed......just to different degrees. Then to say, as a person that doesn't really listen to the genre much, that you "have yet to hear"....well.......anything......is kind of odd homie. Besides....there's plenty of respectable musicianship and original instrumentation throughout the genre for those interested...i.e. A Tribe Called Quest hired this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Carter to play bass on this song: Not that it's a great example....it's just one to use, because we have been talking about Tribe. Also, when it comes to "memorable melodies" written specifically for rap songs....I'd simply suggest you take a look through Pharell William's catalog for a bunch of them to get you started. You may not like the melodies and may not be that familiar...since you aren't a fan of the genre.....but i'll bet you dollars to doughnuts (and you know I'm not a betting man) that Nose and Santo and lots of other more casual rap fans than those two remember "Pass the Courvoisier", "I Just Wanna Love You" and this song: with original musical programming and vocal melodies alongside of borrowed vocal melodies and hip-hop melodies. It was nominated for a Rap songwriting Grammy and just as an interesting note....the chick at the 40 second mark is named Cynthia Rodriguez and she was in a Latina Pop/R&B group that I wrote and produced for in the early part of the millennium. So there is plenty of musicianship in the genre if one wants to find it, but.......... DJ's creating "breaks" or "brake beats" for dancers and party MCs from existing records....stopping the records by hand and then starting them on beat or scratching the records rhythmically is kinda the point! As for the songs being alive.....you just haven't been to enough house parties to understand how and why they live!!!....LOL! I'll listen again, I'm not a dream-killer!......LOL!!! Just sayin'..... You probably have listened to as much bad metal as you have good....and that's most likely because you are more willing to give it a chance without having to be led to it. Give those other genres a similar amount of time invested and you'll probably find way more tunes from those categories to dig as well! There's something to like in just about every type of music....well.....except atonal art music....nothing good about it! My musical snobbery begins and ends with that! I am a music education major.......I know how it's constructed.....and I understand it just fine......It's just crap!!!
can't spell "crap" without.. haha , just kidding I don't think we're far off. 90 percent of everything sucks-including metal! I DO know that that particular type of epic I am looking for can be found in metal and if I describe what I like completely, then it can't be found in rap, country, bluegrass or whatever, because then it would be metal. AGAIN, there are those songs that get me in a different way and it's why I am asking for them instead of having to go fishing on my own through genre's that don't give me what I want. If you give me an artist like Tribe, I'm sure I'll find over 90 percent of their stuff to be very good with none of my rap "problems" (problems as in, metal has the "loud to be loud" problem for you), but it's not what I'm going to reach for for the fix! Now if you say it will sound good next time I wine my girl and make her some chicken cordon bleu, great! I'll try a different way...It may make me sound unfair or close-minded and like I want all rap to give me the feeling I get from "Can't Truss It". I can't fault any classical I've heard as shit, but some I wouldn't want to listen to, some "gets me" (O' Furtuna I think gets EVERYONE!), while most is just fine in the background. But I am ok with it not all being that and as much as I may "enjoy" having all sorts of things around me, when i reach for the drug, the drug that makes my hair stand-up, I go for metal. I know most every song from Iced Earth will deliver and fortunately there are still songs from them I haven't heard (i keep it that way, because so few new stuff out there--even in metal gets me, and I need to keep some of it wrapped) music snobbery lol! There was a funny quote from Marilyn Manson (nope, not a drug for me) being asked about different types of music and when they said, "Ska"? and mentioned Smash Mouth, he looked very reflective and considered carefully before responding, "that type of music hurts me"
I'm onto you buddy.....you just want music to score to, cause it's hard to set the mood with metal.......LOL!!! Nah...I told you....I am going to think about it and you and build you a rap playlist! I got you! Examine this for a minute if you will. I think the part about songs that "get you" is causing you to look for a similar experience with each song and then deem songs failing to deliver this feeling as less than worthy. I think this is a fair way to see music.....waiting for things that move you.....I think most folks experience music this way. I just think you've taken an even more logical approach in narrowing down exactly what you are after and then sticking mainly to the genre which delivers this release most frequently. Thing is.....asking for a similar release from every song in other genres...is setting most songs in those categories up for failure at achieving what one genre is actually attempting to do frequently. If that experience is all you're looking for in the music....sure....that's what you'll find....and lots of other music will just suck.....but you'll miss so much other very worthwhile music, because of what you reach for to cure that particular fix. Every song from every genre can't do the same thing, cause they all aren't supposed to. Some are created from a different perspective....a different emotional atmosphere.....a different plane of consciousness if you will. They are designed to do something different for you and you are asking the impossible of them. Is the music failing you or are you placing such narrow parameters on the music that it will almost certainly fail? Just sayin'. Yeah....he's got room to talk! A lot of his music is hard to dig. But.........I like "The Nobodies" and "Dope Show" a little less.
thanks I think my drug analogy is being used on the wrong person! I'll try again... I don't think rap or all rap sucks I think 90 percent of everything (including metal!) sucks in definable-- maybe even objective terms (though I think classical or Jazz sucks less than metal or rap due to what's needed to go there). So lets stick with the talented, objectively good (as much as it can be objective) stuff that's out there in all genres As I've said, it's ok that the other music doesn't get me there and I PREFER it (the GOOD other stuff that is) many times to the good metal OR the rare other songs that bring a similar release. So when I say, "find me the other stuff that isn't metal but gives me that 'drug' release", I'm not saying the stuff that isn't like that is shit! (Hard to stay away from the drug analogy because that's what I'm actually describing) and stop saying, "just sayin"...
HAHA, you know maybe thats just how out of the loop I am. You are right though it is the newest group that I have listened to and stayed with, besides what is on the radio when my wife or daughter are in the car.
I don't think I'm as confused as you think I am. Let's stay with drugs for a sec. You are talking about a particular release, but not saying these other songs "suck" (I put that in to find some way of describing what the other stuff is to you if not able to create the release) and I'm asking if you're grading on a hard curve based on the existence of the drug....when the other stuff is supposed to do other things that are equally as valuable as the release you find with your particular drug. It's like saying weed and mushrooms can also get me high, but in order to get mess up good I need some meth!....But there's nothing wrong with weed or mushrooms. I think I get it... I'm asking if you've ever really given any real time to evaluating the high you get from weed and mushrooms to see if it's just as valuable as the meth, even if unable to get you as messed up....which they have no hope of doing.
