It's a story that has circulated in and out of the UFO community for years: Did former U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower have three meetings with extraterrestrials? An ex-government consultant says the story is true that the 34th commander in chief chatted, if you will, with aliens at a New Mexico air base, according to reports. No definitive proof has ever surfaced to confirm this president-meets-aliens tale. However, according to Timothy Good, Eisenhower and FBI officials arranged for the out-of-this-world summit at Holloman Air Force Base. "Aliens have made both formal and informal contact with thousands of people throughout the world from all walks of life," Good, an author, lecturer and former consultant to Congress and the Pentagon, said on Frank Skinner's BBC2 program, "Opinionated." Good claims that governments of the world have had ongoing contacts with ETs over many years. The story about Eisenhower's close encounter of the very personal kind -- where he reportedly met with Nordic-looking aliens -- supposedly unfolded while the president was vacationing in Palm Springs, Calif., in February 1954. Whether you believe this story or not, an interesting related side-story reared its head in 2010. A retired New Hampshire state representative, Henry McElroy Jr., taped an intriguing video announcement in which he revealed seeing a secret briefing document intended for Eisenhower. This document, according to McElroy, contained information that aliens were in America and that Eisenhower could meet with them. "To the best of my memory, this brief was pervaded with a sense of hope, and it informed President Eisenhower of the continued presence of extraterrestrial beings here in the United States of America," McElroy said on the video. "The tone of the brief indicated to me that there was no need for concern, since these visitors were in no way causing any harm or had any intentions whatsoever of causing any disruption then or in the future," he explained. McElroy goes on to say that, although he couldn't verify times or places where any meetings might have taken place between Eisenhower and "off-world astronauts," he believed that there were such meetings. While it's certainly difficult to prove any of these things, we're left with the same question that always follows such stories: Who do you believe? WATCH REP. HENRY MCELROY JR. DELIVER HIS TAPED STATEMENT ABOUT EISENHOWER AND ALIENS: Link
Dezinformatsia: If you can attach fantastical stories "leaked" by top officials to 90 percent of the easy to verify shit that the press WON'T talk about, you get everything dismissed as a "conspiracy"
The Drake equation states that: where: N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible; and R* = the average rate of star formation per year in our galaxy fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets fℓ = the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop life at some point fi = the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop intelligent life fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space[3] The lowest values in the above estimates, assuming 0 for parameters that have no backup for any estimate, R* = 7/year [26], fp = 0.4 [27], ne = 0, fl = 0.13 [28], fi = 10^-9 [29], fc = 0, and L = 304 years[30] result in N = 7 × 0.4 × 0 × 0.13 × 10^-9 × 0 × 304 = 0 The highest values in the above estimates, assuming 1 for parameters that have no backup for any estimate, R* = 7/year [31], fp = 1 [32], ne = 0.2 [33][34], fl = 0.13 [35], fi = 1 [36], fc = 1, and L = 10^9 years [37] result in N = 7 × 1 × 0.2 × 0.13 × 1 × 1 × 10^9 = 182 million
Criticism Criticism of the Drake equation follows mostly from the observation that several terms in the equation are largely or entirely based on conjecture. Thus the equation cannot be used to draw firm conclusions of any kind. As Michael Crichton, a science fiction author, stated in a 2003 lecture at Caltech:[39] The problem, of course, is that none of the terms can be known, and most cannot even be estimated. The only way to work the equation is to fill in with guesses. [...] As a result, the Drake equation can have any value from "billions and billions" to zero. An expression that can mean anything means nothing. Speaking precisely, the Drake equation is literally meaningless...Another objection is that the very form of the Drake equation assumes that civilizations arise and then die out within their original solar systems. If interstellar colonization is possible, then this assumption is invalid, and the equations of population dynamics would apply instead.[40] One reply to such criticisms[41] is that even though the Drake equation currently involves speculation about unmeasured parameters, it was not meant to be science, but intended as a way to stimulate dialogue on these topics. Then the focus becomes how to proceed experimentally. Indeed, Drake originally formulated the equation merely as an agenda for discussion at the Green Bank conference.[ In the 20th episode of the second season of the television series The Big Bang Theory, the equation was mentioned by Howard Wolowitz and detailed by Sheldon Cooper. Howard goes on to modify the terms in the equation to project the likelihood of a member of the group hooking up with a member of the opposite sex.
Huh? Nada is the principle character in the 1988 movie They Live. By wearing specialized sunglasses, Nada sees what no one else can, a world overrun by greedy aliens who keep the human population in check through use of subliminal messaging (Obey. Consume. Watch TV. etc). I thought the reference tied in neatly with the whole concept of this thread.
I get the character and I enjoyed that movie What I was saying was that these types of stories are likely disinformation (capital D it or call it by it's Russian name to differentiate the concept from the word). It's different from propaganda because the goal is to make you disbelieve truth as opposed to believing what's being offered. So I am NOT the guy saying there are or were aliens influencing our planet, I'm saying that what's more important than the few who believe it when they hear a story like this, is the larger amount of people who will group you with the crackpots when you do show them something with proof (say like Eisenhower warning about the military industrial complex). "Sure Oz, you believe there's a conspiracy to dupe Americans into supporting a militarized state which benefits off perpetual war....I'm sure you also believe Aliens were in Ike's cabinet too"! See how that works? You can easily find a lot of info on how the KGB used the tactic but it is hard for Americans to accept that their government does it What's a lot of fun is when it takes a life of its own and no one has to do much to let it run wild....you get people who believe in this stuff even ironically claiming Disinformation when it supports the stuff they want to believe. So no telling for sure sometimes where the myths come from, if it was intentional or if it was actively allowed to nourish if it wasn't (The Philadelphia Experiment comes to mind) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof but there are PLENTY of claims that do have proof and believing in little green men has nothing to do with it. Of course, having no proof doesn't mean something claimed hasn't happened and though we can't come up with a number, the probabilities of intelligent life elsewhere would seem to be high
